On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 20:45:57 -0800, wrote:

Perhaps an example from "nospam" of an actual plate would be more
instructive.

Take a look at the ILS to RWY 24 and (K)CRQ

This is where I saw the missed. It is not a good example as the missed
takes you out over the ocean and in fact either way you look at it, it
would be safe.

But it's also clear from the wording what you should do:

"Climb to 3000 via heading 245° *AND* OCN R-145 to OCN VORTAC"

I should say that it's clear to me g. Obviously it wasn't clear to you.

However, the sequence is that ATC gives you an altitude to climb to, and
then a route.

You fly 245 until you get to the R-145 and continue to climb on the R-145.

If they had wanted you to remain on the 245° heading until reaching 3000',
the wording would have been something like "Climb to 3000' via heading 245°
*then* via OCN R-145. If turn direction is important, it would be stated.



I'm just trying to understand in the general sense what the rules are.
In reading the recent AOPA magazine it had a sumary of accidents in
CA and one was someone getting a radar vector and assuming that he
could let down to the crossing altitude of the next segment.
He did this at night and it was fatal.

That's a different issue.

You should ALWAYS be at or above the minimum charted altitude for any route
of flight. (There may be a few rare exceptions).

If you are on an unpublished route or being radar vectored, the pilot
responsibilities include:

"(a) Complies with the minimum altitude for IFR; and

"(b) Maintains the last assigned altitude until established on a segment of
a published route or IAP, at which time published altitudes apply. "

You must BURN that into your head. Commercial airliners used to be
confused about this, too.

ATC has restrictions on what they can do, also, but ATC can make mistakes.


I understand that not understanding the subleties of what the rules
are for flying IFR can also be Fatal so I'm just trying to understand.

Another approach with a similar missed that is unlclear:

KCNO ILS RWY 26R

Missed:
Climb to 1400 then climbing left turn to 4000 direct PDZ and hold.


Again, just follow the directions in sequence:

1. Climb to 1400' (straight ahead is implied since it is not stated)
2. *THEN* climbing left turn to 4000'

If you are not at 4000' by PDZ, you should climb in the hold.

However, under ordinary circumstances with a minimum ROC and beginning your
missed approach at the MM, you should be pretty close to 4000' at or before
PDZ.

Hope this helps to clarify things.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)