"john smith" wrote in message
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Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

Well in the Desert Shield/Storm F-15s kicked the crap out of Iraqi
Mig-29s. Including one kill where a 15C literally maneuvered the -29 into
the ground.

That doesn't count!!!
I mean against a pilot from a real country, one that has been trained to
think for themselves.


Sure they do. Those pilots were trained by the USSR and at the time members
of the 4th Largest military in them world. If number ~3 against number 4
doesn't count what does.