"Seth Masia" wrote:
What's not fun is sitting in a hot cockpit on a 110 degree day waiting 20
minutes for a takeoff clearance, and then being told to rush the landing
because there's jet traffic behind you -- on your early solos. Which is not
out of the question at a busy controlled field.

Point I was making was that not *all* controlled fields around Phoenix
are as busy as Deer Valley. A friend that attended one of the schools
there said waiting 20 minutes for takeoff clearance at Deer Valley is
not at all uncommon. Waiting even 5 minutes for takeoff clearance at
Chandler or Falcon IS uncommon -- a minute or two is the norm if you
aren't cleared on the first request. But it's not unusual to have to
wait a minute or two for landing traffic at uncontrolled fields in the
Phoenix area either. Just because it's an uncontrolled field doesn't
mean there won't/can't be faster aircraft behind you ... a King Air in
the pattern at Casa Grande behind a 172, for example.