Matt Barrow wrote:

Safety procedures are actually quite cheap, and done right can make things
MORE efficient.

For example, OSHA require we fabricate our work scaffolds in a certain
manner and using certain materials and parts. My CS (Construction
Supervisor) can make a MUCH better scaffold )moe rigid, more stable) out of
material lying around the job site. It costs a few hundred dollars in time
and material. OSHA's, takes days and costs about $10,000.

Ever hear the story of the fish processing plant in Alaska that was shut
down because it's water discharge was not done my EPA guidelines even
through it's discharge was like six times cleaner than the EPA rules?

Of course, but what if there were no OSHA and no laws governing
occupational safety and health? How strong would the incentive be then
to implement _any_ safety procedures whatsoever? No need to answer out
loud, just think about it. Hint: US history provides a good answer to
this question.

Gee, I'd like to find some 15 year old Civil Engineers.

I'm sure you would.....

They must be state
certified (that's MY requirement, not the states).

ANd then they took those protections to such idiotic extremes, such as
requiring five people on shift to do the work that two could handle easily.

Ever go by a road construction site and see a whole crew just standing
around leaning in shovels and just shooting the breeze?

Sorry - merely pointing out abuses of the rules doesn't make a case for
eliminating them.

And their efficiencies...the same efficiencies that got the US it's big
boost in the 1800's.

Heh. You obviously have never worked for an outsourcer....

It's quite evident how you know this: it's the same bilge the public
"education" system has been cramming up kids asses for a couple generations.

Nope. Try again.....

...as long as we need/demand government bureaucracy to fix it.

Sorry, again, merely pointing out abuses doesn't make your case against
bereaucracy (though it's certainly undeniable that such things do happen).

There are well-known and well-worn reasons that we need governments,
regardless of the abuses of its power that you're pointing out.

All of this is in the history and philosophy books....

LS
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