"Icebound" wrote in message
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IMHO tailwheel is not a separate class and the required 5 landings can
be
in
a tricycle gear or TW and would apply to skis but not floats. I do not
know
what would be required for ampibious floats but would guess that 5 land
+
5
water would be required. IMHO any of these required TO&landings can be
dual
(with CFI) or solo.


Having read and re-read that section, I would interpret it as per your HO
*except* the part about counting dual. If the CFI is PIC, then I would
interpret that you cannot. If *you* are PIC, then of course you can.



Hello Icebound,

I agree that 401.05(1)(a) recency does require that a pilot be PIC, but am
not convinced that the PIC requirement extends to section 401.05(2)

401.05(1) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Subpart, no holder
of
a flight crew permit, licence or rating, other than the holder of a flight
engineer licence, shall exercise the privileges of the permit, licence or
rating unless
(a) the holder has acted as pilot-in-command or co-pilot of an aircraft
within the five years preceding the flight; or

(b) snip

401.05(2) Notwithstanding any other provision of this Subpart, no holder
of a
flight crew permit or licence, other than the holder of a flight engineer
licence, shall exercise the privileges of the permit or licence in an
aircraft unless the holder

(a) has successfully completed a recurrent training program in accordance
with the personnel licensing standards within the 24 months preceding the
flight; and


On this section (2)(a) subject, the last self paced study program form was
delivered in issue 4/2004 of the Safety Letter and expires Sept 29,2005.
The last TC Safety Letter I received is issue 2/2005, it is the latest
issued posted on the website.
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/sy...tp185/menu.htm
..
The Sept 29,2005 form is also the latest self paced study program on the web
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/Sy...85/4-04/600.ht
m
Do you know of any changes to this program? Is it still available for use?
Have you received a new form or notice regarding this program?

and back to the subject of landings

(b) where a passenger other than a flight test examiner designated by the
Minister is carried on board the aircraft, has completed, within the six
months preceding the flight,


IMHO, unless the CFI is also a DFTE then they MUST be PIC, (unless pilot has
other recency) as a non current pilot cannot carry a legal passenger. AFAIK
there is no requirement that the required (for currency) landings be
performed solo or as PIC, and there is no mention of this as a requirement
in 401.05(2)(b)(i)(a or b). After a period of inactivity I have often taken
a CFI for a rust removal flight and was told that these landings could be
counted for currency.


(i) in the case of an aircraft other than a glider or a balloon, in the
same
category and class of aircraft as the aircraft, or in a Level B, C or D
simulator of the same category and class as the aircraft, at least

(A) five night or day take-offs and five night or day landings, if the
flight is conducted wholly by day, or

(B) five night take-offs and five night landings, if the flight is
conducted
wholly or partly by night,

Can you provide a cite in the CARs that requires the landings be made PIC?
ISTM that section (2) deals with recurrent training, which should be
conducted by a CFI. While the concept of "sole manipulator of the controls"
is not used in the CARs it seems to me to be what is required by
401.05(2)(b)(i)(a or b). I note that it seems that (in Canada) there is
always a "notwithstanding clause" and in this case would mean that the PIC
requirement in section(1) would not apply to section (2)? The only
requirement I see is to "complete" (ie perform) 5 TO&landings.

Happy landings,