RST Engineering wrote:
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RST Engineering wrote:

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If the airplane was going through an annual inspection, the IA should
have generated a list of discrepancies of what didn't pass and given that
to the owner. At that point the annual was complete.


I'm not sure what you are saying. That the airplane has a current valid
annual at this point? That isn't so. THe logbook should have contained
words to the effect that the aircraft was inspected on (date) and a list
of unairworthy items given to the owner or operator.

I was saying the annual inspection was complete and current at that point
and if there were any unairworthy items, they need to be attended to. The
IA had completed his duties and is no longer involved. Once he signs off
the annual inspection, whether airworthy or not, the inspection is
complete and current.


(S)he cannot sign off the annual inspection. 43.11 (a)(5) is quite specific
as to what has to happen when the aircraft is inspected and not found
airworthy. If you have another section of the regs that countermands this
section, please post it. Otherwise I maintain that the inspection is
neither complete nor current.

Cut from 43.11:
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(5) Except for progressive inspections, if the aircraft is not
approved for return to service because of needed maintenance,
noncompliance with applicable specifications, airworthiness directives,
or other approved data, the following or a similarly worded statement--
``I certify that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with
(insert type) inspection and a list of discrepancies and unairworthy
items dated (date) has been provided for the aircraft owner or
operator.''
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The annual inspection is an annual inspection.
Whether or not it is "approved for return to service" is the outcome of
the inspection.
No other inspection is necessary for the next year.

91.409
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Sec. 91.409 - Inspections.

(a) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, no person may
operate an aircraft unless, within the preceding 12 calendar months, it
has had --
(1) An annual inspection in accordance with part 43 of this chapter
"and" has been approved for return to service by a person authorized by
§43.7 of this chapter;
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The big word here is "and" for allowed operation of the aircraft.




The inspection is current and complete, but not airworthy. That inspection
will be current for the next year and if it was not airworthy it can be
brought into airworthiness and flown during that time period.
The A&P has 0% authority with the inspection process.


Citation from regulation, please? Otherwise I maintain as above, not
current, not "in annual".


"in annual" is a slang term for an annual inspection that has been
returned to service.


I think we're stuck on the term "annual" meaning two different things.

Cheers

Dave

Jim

A&P, IA