Another example from the same plate:

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0510/00375I28R.PDF

You've not been given "vectors to final".
You're established on the approach from the IAF FAITH.
You're at 4100 feet.
You fly over DUMBA.
The leg from FAITH to DUMBA is NOT marked NoPT.

I'm in the camp which thinks (hopes?) that a turn in the hold at DUMBA
is not logical nor required.

Three questions:

a) does anyone think a turn in the hold at DUMBA is required? If so,
why?

b) should the leg from FAITH to DUMBA be marked "NoPT"?

Tim.

PS. I think Chip Jones posted a very similar example a while back when
he got a surprise when the pilot did do a turn. I'll see if I can
find the reference.


On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 09:16:54 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:


"Ron Garret" wrote in message
...

Turning left at CEPIN certainly makes intuitive sense, but if that's the
right thing to do then why is MENLO-CEPIN not marked NoPT?
There are three (and only three) possibilities:

1. You are required to turn right at CEPIN and hold at DUMBA.
2. The absence of a NoPT designation is meaningless.
3. MENLO-CEPIN should be marked NoPT; the fact that it isn't is a
mistake.

Given that the ILS 28L approach has an almost identical segment
(MENLO-HEMAN) that IS marked NoPT my money is on #3.


I don't see why MENLO..HEMAN should be marked NoPT. If you're beginning the
ILS RWY 28R at MENLO you're not going to cross the holding fix DUMBA.