"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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No, that's your interpretation. I assume it is based on YOUR reading of
14 CFR 91, 14 CFR 97, 8260.3 as well as the textual description of the
various SIAP's published by the FAA.

My reading of those parts, along with other documents, leads me to
disagree with your interpretation.


So make your case. Fill in the steps between "In the case of a radar vector
to a final approach course or fix, a timed approach from a holding fix, or
an approach for which the procedure specifies 'No PT,' no pilot may make a
procedure turn unless cleared to do so by ATC.[FAR 91.175(j)]", "Procedure
turn means the maneuver prescribed when it is necessary to reverse direction
to establish the aircraft on an intermediate or final approach course. The
outbound course, direction of turn, distance within which the turn must be
completed, and minimum altitude are specified in the procedure. However, the
point at which the turn may be commenced, and the type and rate of turn, is
left to the discretion of the pilot. [FAR 97.3(p)]", and, "If a SIAP does
contain a procedure turn and ATC has cleared a pilot to execute the SIAP,
the pilot must make the procedure turn when one of the conditions of Section
91.175(j) is not present.", [statement of Patricia R. Lane].



In instances where it is clear, unambigous, and supported by others whose
business it is to intepret these things correctly (i.e. Jepp), I choose to
rely on the interpretation of the FAA regulatory division counsel, in
deciding what is required by regulations. And I would recommend others do
so, too.


I prefer logic. If it was clear and unambiguous this issue would never be
discussed here.