OOOPS... Not YOU.. the OTHER MATT... whiting or something or other..

Whiting, if you are following this, my retort was for you, and you alone.

Dave

Matt Barrow wrote:
"Dave S" wrote in message
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Matt Barrow wrote:

WHINE !! BITCH!! MOAN!! NOT IN MY BACK YARD!! I want gas! I want cheap
gas!! I want this I want that!

Grow the **** up, America!!


Matt, let me know when you can debate something without resorting to
personal attacks or insults, then I will debate it with you.


Well, Dave, my apologies because my last point was a general take, not
directed to you (notice I said' Grow up America", not "Grow up, Dave"). I
notice you have very strong leanings and understanding toward free markets.
I'm not concerned about you selling short :~)

I do know I tend to lose it when people make foolish caveats especially ones
that are logical fallacies such as "without all this regulation we'd be in
(insert Armageddon class crisis)".


And.. I don't work in academia. I actually work for a living.


That helps, but those in academia consider that they "work for a living",
too. What's more, working for a living is no basis for understanding how
markets work. Even many managers don't "get it". Many are hired for their
political acumen, not for their knowledge or leadership qualities.


I also dont consider myself whining about prices for gas. I pay for it as
I go. Its nice to have enough disposable income to do so without
flinching.

The refineries ARE in my back yard. They pay their share in property taxes
to the localities and school systems. They also provide jobs to the
economy. I'd love for them to expand, and provide more capital to our
infrastructure here. But not at the cost of polluting unnecessarily.


Yes, indeed. Thing is, like so much of life, regulation stopped having a
goal (reduced pollution) and became a goal in itself (i.e., self-serving
bureaucracies). For example, years ago, when the coal fired power plants
were first required to install "scrubbers", they regulations stipulated
levels caps for emissions. They were also ordered to install specific
equipment to reach those levels. As it was, the equipment mandated was
egregiously costly and maintenance was enormous. It also created a lot of
toxic waste to be disposed of. It turned out that emissions could have been
as good or better using other means of emissions reductions with less cost
and less maintenance. That's why I'm very skeptical of the fallacies that
"without all these regulations, ...blah, blah, blah).



Anyways, unless you have something meaningful to contribute to this rather
than unwarranted insults, I will leave you to your rant.


My rant addresses so many people that become enamored with a pristine world
and completely miss the points that, first, every advantage has it's costs,
that actions have consequences including "Unintended Consequences".

I also notice a strong propensity for those who demand a risk free life, a
pristine world, and great prosperity, are often the most vocal when their
actions play out. It's an attitude that is understandable for children, but
inexcusable for adults. Hence my admonishment to Americans in general to
"grow up". Such childish perspective is becoming the rule, rather than the
exception. That there is no Santa Claus is apparently missed by wayyy to
many.

Rant to continue later :~)

Dave, I consider you an ally, not an adversary in this topic. If my take was
fuzzy (duh!), my apologies.