the north las vegas Northtown1 departure is a pain in the ass.
you have to go out like 10 miles towards mountain, the last time I did it the
turbulence was so bad I thought it would tear my plane apart. then you turn back
in towards LAS and hopefully LAS approach will pick you up and give you vectors
out.


Brad Z wrote:

I'm curious. I know pilots who make a habit of including the "NO STARs NO
SIDs" comment on the flight plan. I have flown both STARs and SIDs...what's
so bad about them?

"Hankal" wrote in message
...
What are the *real world* implications of flying into busy airspace IFR
in a
piston single/light twin..this is all assuming that you do NOT have a way
of
navigating

When I file my IFR flight plan I put into remarks NO STARS NO SIP
Hank