On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 10:07:41 -0500, "Mark Astley"
wrote:

I might add that what you file and what you're cleared for in the NY area
are almost always different, at least until you get used to their preferred
routes (which aren't always the same as those in the back of the AF/D). In
my short time here I've never been given a STAR, but I have been given a DP.
Long story short: even if you file a STAR/DP, you may not get it.

Another poster mentioned it already, but if you'd prefer not to fly a STAR
or DP, then say so in your flight plan when you file. If you forget, and
they give you one in your clearance, say "unable".

blue skies,
mark


If you file NoSTAR/NoDP, and they want you to fly it, they'll just give you
the clearance "spelled out". In other words, your clearance will be the
verbiage from the DP.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)