"Mark T. Dame" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

"Jose" wrote in message
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This still leaves open what to do if you are on a non-vector course which
is pretty close to straight in, at an appropriate altitude for straight
in (i.e. the same altitude you'd be at inbound from the PT), but the
controller doesn't clear you straight in, a PT is depicted, and NoPT is
not depicted. Presumably you do a U-turn, and then a procedure turn.

Yes, nominally, although presumably there's a chart error in that case.

If that's the case, then there are a lot of charts with errors. I've seen
a lot of them (perhaps most?) that have this situation. Here's an
example:

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0510/05949V24.PDF

If you are flying a heading of 235 10 miles NE of ICING. ATC clears you
direct ICING and then cleared VOR 24 approach. Your statement is that you
fly 10 miles, do a U-turn, fly the procedure turn, then the approach.
That just seems insane.

Yes, ATC will most likely vector you to the final approach course and then
clear you for the approach (turn left heading 235, join the final approach
course, cleared VOR 24 approach), but if they don't...

Hm, that's a good point. I was thinking more of charts where an IAF that's
distinct from the FAF is nonetheless aligned with the FAC, but not
designated NoPT. In cases like that, I've reported the chart to the FAA, and
have seen an immediate NOTAM issued to correct the chart.

But you're right that an FAF is often and IAF too, and there's usually
nothing on the chart that says NoPT if a direct course to the IAF/FAF is
already aligned with the FAC (and at the same altitude).

Oh well. I guess the situation is still more confused than I'd realized.

--Gary