Roy Smith wrote:

Ron Rosenfeld wrote:

If the TRACON is issuing radar vectors off the ground, then, as I quoted
from the AIM, that would supersede any ODP. But ATC is then responsible
for obstacle clearance, of course.


How can they issue radar vectors before you're in radar contact?

They know they will have radar contact within a "reasonable" period of
time after takeoff. KMRY is the same way with the radar site several
miles from the airport.

It's all a matter of how the region and the facility determine what will
work for their radar coverage and airspace.