On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 03:44:39 -0800, Tim wrote:

Yes, but...there are many worse locations where they vector below the
MVA and do not, in fact, assure any obstacle clearance below MVA. It is
a very obscure area.

Obscure?

7110.65 5-6-1c and 5-6-3 seem pretty clear on when radar vectors below MVA
are allowed.

At which facilities is ATC issuing vectors and NOT assuring obstacle
clearance?

How are they communicating to the pilot that these vectors do not assure
obstacle clearance?

If, in fact, they are issuing vectors without assuring obstacle clearance,
or without actively soliciting the pilot concurrence with these vectors,
then this seems to me to be a dangerous practice, and not in accord with
ATC published procedures. It should be corrected.


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You've mentioned this a few times.

What are those specific instructions when departing IFR from SMO with the
tower closed?

I don't know. I know the airspace constraints of that location but, as
I said in a previous post, I have not flown IFR out of KSMO.

It seems to me that you're just guessing at what might be going on. You
may well be correct, but the information I have gleaned from your posts
does not seem to me to be terribly useful.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)