"John R Weiss" wrote in message
news:wBaUb.220881$xy6.1133716@attbi_s02...

...OR you could just as easily have better than 3 miles visibility, 1,000'
clearance from the clouds, and NO way to determine the horizon from
outside
reference: cumulus in the distance, towering cumulus in the area, sloped
tops
of stratus in a front...


Yes, you can easily have that, but that is not IFR conditions.