"BTIZ" wrote:

Luke also already has an "Alert Area 231" for intensive student
training, and I am sure Luke has traffic to and from the many Military
Operating Areas north and west of PHX. A-231 does not require
mandatory contact with ATC to transition the area. Also, though not
wise, you can transition a MOA in VFR/VMC conditions without ATC
approval.



Yes, the issue is VFR traffic in the alert area north and west of Luke, not just the class D airspace. There
is a lot of training traffic from DVT and GEU in this area. Luke approach control is very helpful with traffic
advisories, but they can't help the guys they're not talking to. See
http://www.dvtpilot.com/pdf/Proposed...aceChanges.pdf for more information.

Mike