That is a controller manual, not for pilot's actions. As
PIC I will ask, nay demand the info I want and need.
91.185
(3) Leave clearance limit. (i) When the clearance limit is a
fix from which an approach begins, commence descent or
descent and approach as close as possible to the
expect-further-clearance time if one has been received, or
if one has not been received, as close as possible to the
estimated time of arrival as calculated from the filed or
amended (with ATC) estimated time en route.

(ii) If the clearance limit is not a fix from which an
approach begins, leave the clearance limit at the
expect-further-clearance time if one has been received, or
if none has been received, upon arrival over the clearance
limit, and proceed to a fix from which an approach begins
and commence descent or descent and approach as close as
possible to the estimated time of arrival as calculated from
the filed or amended (with ATC) estimated time en route.

If you are IN the hold and have had a two-way communications
failure, your ETA has past, without a EFC/EAC time you are
stuck for a while. Certainly, if your transponder still
works, squawk. If you've had a total failure your
transponder will quit and that should get ATC attention.
You've got an emergency. But 2-way radio failure is not
supposed to be an emergency, there is a procedure. Part of
that procedure is the EFC, ask for it, it is your right as
PIC.




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
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| "A Lieberman" wrote in message
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| I respectfully disagree as there is time frame in your
book.taken from
| http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap4/aim0404.html
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| 5. When no delay is expected, the controller should
issue a clearance
| beyond the fix as soon as possible and, whenever
possible, at least
| 5 minutes before the aircraft reaches the clearance
limit.
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| So, if you don't give me a clearance beyond my fix, then
the pilot should
| expecting an EFC if he has to hold over a fix.
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| In other words, as soon as I have to enter a hold, I
should be expecting
| an
| EFC as now there is a delay. After all, you have me
spinning in circles.
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| My expected time enroute does not include time to hold
over a fix.
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| http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp4/atc0406.html#4-6-1
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| See subparagraph c.
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