"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Clonts" wrote in message
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I should know better than to answer one of your "questions". But
my answer is: In order to take off into IMC.


If you're on the ground you're not looking for a pop-up.



Ok, I'd like to learn something from this...

When you call ATC to get a clearance...

....if you're in the air and you've filed through FSS, when you call ATC, its
not a pop-up.
....if you're in the air but not already filed through FSS, it's considered a
"pop-up"
....if you're not in the air and not already filed through FSS, it's not
considered a "pop-up"? Is there a different name you call it?

I see that "pop-up" is not in the PC/G. I assume that it's also not defined
in 7110. That being the case we're talking about an informal term anyway.
I'm just curious (and surprised) that a call from the ramp to CD for an IFR
clearance (not already on file) is NOT considered by controllers a "pop-up".

Thanks,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ