Newbie holding questions
"A Lieberman" wrote in message
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Which your reference further supports my position.
How so? It clearly tells controllers not to issue an EFC when no delay is
expected.
If you clear me to a
fix, then I will not hear an EFC UNLESS I have to hold at that fix.
Right. If you do not have to actually hold at that fix, which is the
situation we're discussing, you won't hear an EFC.
CLEARED TO (fix), NO DELAY EXPECTED.
From B-1 of your reference.
1. Holding instructions may be eliminated when you inform the pilot that
no delay is expected.
from above indicates I will not be put in a hold as I am not being
instructed to hold
If I have to hold, then the phraseology in the very same subsection C-1
supports this.
Taken from C - 1
1. When additional holding is expected at any other fix in your facility's
area, state the fix and your best estimate of the additional delay. When
more than one fix is involved, state the total additional en route delay
(omit specific fixes).
After all, you have me going in circles. I have not been cleared out of
the hold or beyond my hold fix. That EFC will assure that if "by the
book" my radio's go belly up, then I can be assured seperation.
Why would you be going in circles? You would have been cleared beyond the
holding fix prior to reaching it, unless, as you point out, your radios
failed. But in the event of radio failure FAR 91.185 tells you to leave the
clearance limit upon arrival over it when no expect-further-clearance time
has been received.
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