A review of FAR91.215 does exempt gliders from transponder requirements
within the 30nm Mode C veil, but they have to operate clear of Class B
airspace AND BELOW the top of Class B airspace to 10,000ft MSL which ever is
LOWER.

So if the Class B stops at 9,000MSL, then without a transponder, ANY
AIRCRAFT, not just gliders, that are approved for operations within the Mode
C veil without a transponder are capped at 9,000MSL and cannot continue
climb to 10,000MSL which will get them out of the Mode C veil limitation and
into the standard "above 10,000MSL" transponder or no transponder
requirements.

We face that same issue with the Las Vegas Class B, the glider club has a
waiver with the FAA and local Tracon for specific climb windows to climb
above 9,000MSL. It is only usable by members of the glider club who receive
specific training in it's operation of the climb waiver. It is the same as
going to Minden and operating in the Wave Windows, you need the
training/approval of the signature to the waiver to be able to use the
waiver.

BT

"TTaylor at cc.usu.edu" wrote in message
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Paul,

Can you explain the changes at Phoenix that will affect soaring for the
rest of us? My understanding from flying at SLC and MSP is that we can
still fly in the Mode C veil but clear of Class B. I have not looked
at recent changes to see if I can fly over the top of the B, but at SLC
we don't go that direction anyway.

Tim