On 05/25/06 08:04, three-eight-hotel wrote:
Instrument rated pilot (Joe), without complex endorsement, acts as a
safety pilot for another instrumented rated pilot (Bob), in Bob's
complex airplane.

Reg's regarding "general" safety piloting state that both can log PIC
time, given an agreement is made that the safety pilot is responsible
for the safety of the flight, although conscience may dictate
otherwise. However, acting as PIC means:
1.Has the final authority and responsibility for the operation and
safety of the flight;
2.Has been designated as pilot-in-command before or during the flight;
and
3.Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating, if
appropriate, for the conduct of the flight

So... Category and class rule out Joe logging PIC time,

How so? Is Joe not certified for Airplane, Single Engine Land?
That's all Category and Class mean. As far as the complex, Joe
needs a complex endorsement before acting as PIC, but that's
not a Category and Class issue.

but how does
that affect the legality of acting as a safety pilot? With Bob under
the hood, Joe's participation is a requirement...

Joe can be a safety pilot, he just can't act as pilot in command.


Safety Pilot is Required, Qualifications of (FAR �91.109)
FAR �91.109 says a safety pilot is required for simulated instrument
flight (as a required crew member) and that the safety pilot must have:

a valid private pilot certificate �91.109(b)
appropriate category & class ratings �91.109(b)
a current medical certificate �61.31(d)(1); � 61.51(e)(1)(iii),
� 61.51(f)(2), � 61.3(c); �
61.56 (c), � 61.57(c), & � 61.3(c)
and meet all the other pilot-in-command currency requirements

Where do you see "and meet all the other pilot-in-command..." ?

�61.3.

"appropriate category & class ratings �91.109(b)" indicates to me
that Joe cannot legally be "the eyes" for Bob, because Joe does not
have a complex endorsement...

Correct?

No. Joe meets the qualifications for Safety Pilot according to 91.109(b),
which includes:

- possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class
ratings appropriate for the aircraft

- adequate vision forward and to each side

- dual controls...

- determined the flight can be conducted safely

There is nothing here about requiring a complex endorsement or meeting
any other PIC requirements.

Now, for the safety pilot to act as PIC, things are different.

It's a common mistake to think that Category and Class include aspects
like high performance, high altitude, complex, tail wheel, etc., but
it does not. Category and Class is, for example, ASEL, AMEL, ASES, AMES,
etc., and that is it.


Best Regards,
Todd




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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA