Ok enough of this bs here in RAH, take it back to your bible NG Corrie,
You don't know when to stop do you?

Corrie wrote:
No, you're mistaken Corrie. I was not referring to the actual
Crusades of the Middle Ages.


I always thought that the rule was if it's capitalized, it refers to
the medieval editions. But you are correct - historically, religion
is probably the most popular excuse for war. Personally, I think
religion was invented by Satan to keep us fueding over
inconsequentials rathe than persuing a relationship with the Creator.


My tongue-in-cheek hypo, about what really happened to Grog was

supposed to make you laugh.

Remember the smileys next time! :-D


But my hypothesis that Homo Sapiens won out over the stronger
Neanderthal through the evolutionary technique of religious fervor is
entertaining, wouldn't you say? I think Corky is right that religion
is a mechanism of natural selection. (and yes, I agree with those who
say some inbreeding occurred in the same Phylum between "Grog" and
Sapiens.)


It bears some consideration. Have you read "The Origin of
Conciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" or "Ishmael?"
Natural selection (and artificial selection) certainly work within
fairly homogenous populations. But if the quest for a relationship
with the supernatural had survival value 20,000 years ago or even
2,000 years ago, why would it not have that same survival value now?
Mazlow's ladder applies to Neandertal as well as to us today. People
haven't really changed very much, at least as far as we can tell.
(I'm reminded of the Egyptian inscription in the collection of the
British museum. An official's second wife scratched out the
references to his first wife...)


Now about "Moran." It's unfortunate you have deteriorated into a
spelling troll so quickly.


Sorry, I'm a teacher and a parent. It's automatic. :-)


If you where really knowledgeable about history,
you would know that the colloquial term "Moron" came from Al Capone's
1920's. And if you bother to read text from the period, you would find
the term used to be "Moran" with an "a-n" after the infamous mobster
John Moran, who, just couldn't put the dots together on a regular
basis.


I was never that interested in gangster history, sorry. Aviation
history (of course), ancient civilizations, medieval Europe, a bit of
Asian history, but not much on early-20th-century America. Blame my
junior-high history teacher, I guess. We read "The Jungle," watched
"The Grapes of Wrath," and read about labor disputes. It all sort of
ran together. :-/

Thanks for the history lesson - I've long been fascinated by
etymologies.

[taken out of sequence]

you illustrate exactly my point about
the fallacy of taking written text like the King James version of the
Bible so literally.


ahh-ah-ah-ah! Gotcha. I *don't* advocate taking the KJV literally.
Never have. I advocate *good scholarship* - looking at the oldest and
most complete texts, comparing them to find and consider alternate
renderings, looking at the literary and historical context, the
grammar and word usage, etc. It's a lot more work than simply quoting
KJV. Fortunately, a good deal of that effort has been collected in
*modern* translations such as the NIV and RSV.

I'd be more than happy to discuss the accuracy and authenticity of the
Biblical texts. Bottom line is that if you throw out the Bible as
"unreliable" - using the scholarly critera applied to any ancient
document, such as a Roman paymaster's records - then you also have to
throw out everything written by Socrates, Plato, Euclydies,
Aristophanes, Aristotle, Julius Ceasar, Pliny, the Venerable Bede,
etc.

PLEEEESE don' throw me in dat briar patch, Brer Fox! :-D



Only way out is to have an even more ruthless religion that spends all their time developing bigger mind-controlling weapons.

What, pray tell, are the ruthless and mind-controlling aspects of the
Sermon on the Mount? On the other hand, you are *quite* right with
respect to secular humanism, with its weapon of the mind-controlling
prayer-free public school and the ruthlessly anti-religious liberal
university.

Most of us were brain-washed in Sunday School as adolescents Corrie.


Actually, that was when I began to abandon the religion I was raised
in.


Keeping religious displays out of schools is in keeping with the
governments' job of separating Church and State. Kids can still pray,
they just aren't allowed to disrupt others with religious displays
designed to pressure those of other faiths.


Depends on your definition of "pressure." Learning how to put a
rubber on a cucumber or give a BJ in the back seat is "comprehensive
health education" according to some. But saying grace before meals is
"pressure." Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?


It's about free choice.


You support educational choice for parents, then? (no, I'm not really
trying to drag this that far OT, but I can't pass up a striaght line.)


I don't want a teacher to countermand the religious beliefs of our immigrants.


So now they countermand the religious beliefs of our citizens, and
that's ok?


Thank God though as Adults we have an un-coerced choice.


Agreed. I just read that the Red Chinese have arrested a few more
Christians for the crime of praying in their homes.


Likewise enjoying intelligent discussion of things that matter,

Corrie