"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message link.net...
"Stan Gosnell" wrote in message
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(Robert M. Gary) wrote in
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That's fine, but unnecessary. The position in the route indicates whether
it's an airport or navaid. If you filed SAC..SAC..SMO..SMO, for example,
the first and last fixes are assumed to be airports. Northwest Airlines
provides service from Green Bay to Minneapolis. About half their flights
are filed GRB..GRB.EAU6.MSP, the rest are filed GRB.EAU6.MSP. GRB VORTAC is
about five miles northwest of the airport but the flights are treated
exactly the same

I guess the situations where I've had it come up are when I want to
fly the VFR route over LAX and then pick up my IFR at the SMO VOR.
When the controllers see SMO as the first fix, they seem to assume I
want to pick it up on the ground. In every case, approach as refused
to issue clearance when in the air.

-Robert