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Old July 3rd 06, 07:31 AM posted to rec.aviation.military,rec.aviation.military.naval,soc.history.what-if,alt.news-media
Matt Giwer
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Default Israel Threatens to Hit Damascus-Next step of A Clean Break?:

Johnny Bravo wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 02:15:49 GMT, Matt Giwer
wrote:
You keep calling them terrorists when they have every right to kill Israelis
and destoy military assets. They have a lawful resistance movement.


The Third Geneva convention has several requirements for a resistence movement
to be "lawful" and thus gain the protection of the conventions. Wear a uniform


OR


Note my emphasis.

symbol identifiable at a distance, openly carry their arms and conduct "their
operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war"


They do wear symbols. It is their headgear usually. That it is not readable to
you and me does not change what it is. The KLA wore a red bandanna tied to the
left upper arm. Of course they carry their arms else they would not be a threat.
The usual is a ninja style "sweatband" of a distinctive color or pattern. Hamas
is pure green and Fatah is green with yellow lettering I think. Next time you
see films take a look.

Explosive belts are a lawful weapon. The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto pioneered
the grenade in the baby carriage trick even when their own baby was in it.

There is no requirement the weapon be a rifle. Nor is there a requirement to
openly carry it. That is an oversight as it intention was to address regular
military forces until that is corrected concealed weapons are lawful. Nor is
there a requirement to be in uniform at all times nor to carry their weapons at
all time else, as below, that group on military leave was not in compliance.

to include not
targeting civilians, using civilians as cover or hiding among civilians.


But all military on or off duty, active or reserve are lawful targets. And as
Israel says if only one in eighteen is even a suspect there is no blame in
murdering the seventeen innocents. If fact the Prime Minister called it a
successful operation.

The principle is of the military hiding among the civilian population put the
civilians at risk by their presense and the attackers are blameless.

Also they are permitted to attack any military asset. The bus lines in Israel
are a military asset. They are used to transport troops. That makes them lawful
targets at any time the same a trains in Germany were a lawful target during
WWII regardless of who was on them.

Using men wearing civilian clothing to fire mortars into Israeli towns with
weapons manufactured and stored in refugee camps, using a plan developed by
commanders hiding in the middle of a crowded apartment block fails on all three
counts. That makes them terrorists, not a "resistance movement".


Uniforms are not required. A symbol is an alternative. Plainly visible is also
required but not defined.

Weapons depots are not covered. Hiding in an apartment complex is exactly what
makes Palestinians attacks on crowds of Israelis lawful. That buses are military
assets is what makes attacks on them lawful regardless of who is one them but
again, give 25-30% of Israelis are active or reserve military it is improbably
bad luck not to at least injure one.

A year or so back there was a bombing of a nightclub and the Israelis whined
about the young people killed. It took a week for it to come out the targets
were from the same company in three day leave from West Bank duty. After all the
whining and the reprisals they were a perfectly lawful target. There is no time
out or king's cross in such matters.

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