Jarg wrote:
"Matt Giwer" wrote in message
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Jarg wrote:
"Robert Kolker" wrote in message
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Matt Giwer wrote:
Does a nation of war criminals have a right to survive?
If they have the might. The U.S. became a great nation by practicing
genocide on the aboriginal nations. That is how The West Was Won. Dead
Injuns.
I think the Israelis should give it all back the day after the U.S.
returns the Great Plains to the descendants of the Indians whom our
predecessors killed to get the land. When do you think that will happen?
Good point. Pretty much every country that exists today was created at
someone elses expense, often displacing groups that had previously
displaced other groups, and on and on...

In addition to my response to him please tell me how this is a good
response? Even if the US had no treaties with the Indians how does the
comparison to Wounded Knee make Israel look good? These days we cheer for
the Indians at Little Big Horn. Why do you think he invites cheering the
Palestinians because they are being treated like the Indians?

Maybe you cheer for the Indians, I just see the inevitable results of a
conflict between people's of vastly different resources and technology.

Israel's existence is a fact which will not change no matter how much the
Palestinians wish otherwise. The sooner they stop their deluded dreaming,
the sooner the situation can be resolved.

You do not think in terms of reality. Without US charity Israel would be an
economic basket case and people would be leaving in droves. Without US
diplomatic support an economic embargo would have been slapped in Israel decades
ago. Shut off it oil and the lights go out in a week just as in Gaza so they get
no sympathy over living in the dark.

All it takes is for the US to stop acting against its own interests and stop
supporting Israel. When that happens the country is over. With US charity runing
10-30% of the Knesset budget each year (some times higher) and all the tax
breaks in its favor it manages and enconomy equal to the lowest in Europe --
exclusive of the Balkans at the moment.

Who is going to stay with a third world economy when most European countries
permit the grandchildren of emigrants to return no questions asked? The way to
avoid this is to put the military on a shoestring budget to make up the
difference. It can't have both. And without the military technology they steal
from the US they quickly fall behind the curve and no one wants to buy what they
make.

Without US diplomatic cover Israel will finally have to make peace with its
neighbors. For one that means they have to abandon the Syrian Heights for peace
with Syria. That means it has to buy 20% of its water from Syria if Syria
chooses to sell it. It has to make peace with the Palestinians and withdraw to
its 1948 borders. That means it has to buy another 30% of its water from them if
they choose to sell it. Don't get upset though. If they do not buy any water
they will have several times more per capita than the Palestinians have now.

This gives you the flavor of it. I can add other things but that is enough for
now.

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