"Brad Salai" wrote in message ...
I'm still studying for the rating, so I've never done this, but can't you
just say "no SIDS, no STARS" in the remarks, and they can't give it to you.

I did that on a recent trip to KLUK Cincinnati and the clearance
included a STAR anyway. I think sometimes this is for lost commm
purposes: about half way en route they cleared me direct to LUK and
finished with vectors.