Larry Dighera wrote:

So you're saying ATC doesn't grant permission to enter R airspace, and
it is up to the pilot to enter or not based on ATC's information
regarding scheduled activity within it? There's no _clearance_
involved then?


I'm saying ATC doesn't grant permission to enter Restricted Areas when
they're not hot. Have you ever asked ATC for permission to enter a
Restricred Area you knew to be inactive? If so, why?



Given:

http://www.faa.gov/ATpubs/AIM/Chap3/aim0304.html#3-4-3
Section 4. Special Use Airspace
3-4-3. Restricted Areas
Penetration of restricted areas without authorization from the
using or controlling agency may be extremely hazardous to the
aircraft and its occupants.

It would seem that a pilot would require authorization from the
controlling agency (usually ATC) if not a clearance.


It would seem that paragraph refers to a Restricted Area that is hot.