On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:43:16 -0600, Newps wrote:



Ed Rasimus wrote:



So, are Newp and Montblack the same person?

Yep, both from the Twin Cities. One smart enough to leave.


Can Newp really work in an
ATC facility and not know how those Vipers got to a VFR traffic
pattern somewhere?

They got to the VFR traffic pattern after calling me up about 30 miles
out and requesting touch and go's. They were VFR at the time. They do
a few touch and go's and then depart VFR. About 10 miles out I
terminate them and they go on their merry way. This is SOP.

Trust me, they departed their home station on an IFR flight plan. And
when their "merry way" got them back to home station, they were
handled by approach control and either routed into an instrument
recovery or enroute descent to VFR traffic.

There is a lot of VFR operation by the military. Training couldn't be
conducted any other way. And, as you know, a lot of military training
is done in airspace that is other than "Restricted"--When the other
airspace is above the positive control altitude, it really isn't an
issue, since all other traffic will be on IFR routing and will not
transit the airspace. It's only below APC where GA traffic can wander
along VFR, off-airways and with possible conflict.

When those GA aircraft are aware of the other users of the airspace,
the conflicts are minimal. Accidents can and do happen, and when
someone dies it is unfortunate.

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com