On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:27:27 -0700, tjd wrote:


Greg Copeland wrote:
I seriously doubt he was "taking evasive action" until he started he turn
to the right. Unlike me, he had a window view of us. The fact that he
continued to climb into our path, in class B, with a window view, does
not indicate to me he was "evading" anything. The fact that he turned,
head on, after climbing, to me, does not indicate he was "evading."

Hi Greg, it was not my intent to offend you - just playing "what if"

I wasn't offended. I was just pointing out non-factual information was
being used to paint a nicer picture for the other pilot. I firmly believe,
had you been there, your impression of the other other pilot would have
been, "what an idiot". Oddly, I've wondered if he was thinking the same
thing.

with the information you provided. After your clarification it sounds
like this definitely took place in the class B but that was not clear
(at least to me) from your initial post. As far as what the other guy
was thinking, unfortunately we'll likely never know - but given he was
climbing and turning, it still sounds to me like he did see you. Given

I still believe he did not.

the guy was apparently operating illegally in class B, there's

I believe that to be true but can not authoratively state it is fact.

[snip]
Just to play devil's advocate, consider what the other guy might have
been thinking. He sees your plane, knows you have the right of way, and
climbs to 4500. He won't be able to see you any better in the climb
than you can see him, right?

Incorrect. At this point, he is still west bound and has a window view of
me to his right. He initiated a climb immediately after I did (I
never saw his nose go up before I climbed) and maintained his west bound
path. This means he would have been able to watch me climb as he was
essentially climbing with me; as he still has a window view of me to his
right. His next action is to turn head on after I had already changed
course to fly behind him. That to me, indicates he never saw me. Or, we
can assume he did see me, which means he is an absolute idiot. That would
mean he saw me climb, climbed with me, saw me turn to pass behind him,
then purposely turned head on to once again be on an intercept course,
where he finally decided to turn to avoid collision.

Hopefully you can see, I was already painting the nicer picture for the
other pilot by assuming he simply hadn't seen me until we were both
turning right.

[snip]
And, as I said before, really the important part is that
the conflict did get resolved and everyone's still around to debate the
circumstances.

Agreed!

Greg