"Morgans" wrote in message ...

"JJS" jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net wrote

You are in way over your head Ludwig. I've worked with all these gases
for 28 years, in well, let's just say very
large quantities. I do this stuff for a living. You don't have a clue.
The more you try to defend your incorrect
drivel the deeper you get.

God forbid that I would in any way defend anything that this nutjob says,
but I think there is incomplete statements on both your parts going on here.

You store these gasses at low temps, because it is impractical to store them
at the crazy pressures that they would have to be, if kept at room
temperature. The way things are done, in a real world? Very cold, with
some pressure to help out, so you get a you are right, on this one.

Yes, as he said, they can be kept at room temperatures. Almost anything can
be. Practical? No. Wrongly stated? No.
--
Jim in NC

Sorry for the late reply, Jim. We had to restart the plant and I was working some long hours. What you say above is
correct. But some things he has stated, not included above, are totally incorrect. I'm just sick of Ludwig making
blanket statements that are only partially correct so that he can forward his troll agenda. Some of his statements
are correct enough that some people "partially in the know" might accept them as gospel. That was my sole reason for
responding to the group. I try hard not to fall for troll bait If you'll go back and read his drivel, he says
things like, "you can't condense methane". Yeah right! He makes statements about the way products are stored when
there are multiple ways to store them. I tried to reply that in my experience he was wrong. There are other ways.
He attacks Van and Rutan, two of the icons of the experimental aircraft movement. He calls Van's keen observations
blather. Another "for instance": His assertion that natural gas is methane: Natural gas varies in composition
depending on a host of factors including what processing it has gone through, if any, and also from gas well to gas
well. It is not "only" methane: Here is an example. From one of our supply pipe lines, on August 9th it was 96.00
mole % methane, .43% carbon dioxide, .08 helium, .0012 i-butane, .0012 n-butane, 2.4621% ethane, .9300 nitrogen,
..0957 propane. Another pipeline was 95.76% methane, .00220 C6+, .64 carbon dioxide, .04 helium, 2.7004 ethane, .74
nitrogen, .1101 propane, .0023 i-butane, .0020 n-butane. So what? He replied that 96% is mostly methane. Each of
these constituents affects the BTU value of the gas. The first pipeline was running 1017 BTU's and the second 1027
BTU's. This is a huge factor not only in using the gas as a fuel but also in process it into other commodities such
as ammonia, methanol, carbon dioxide, etc.



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