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Old August 27th 06, 05:51 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting,rec.aviation.ifr
Christopher C. Stacy
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Newps writes:

Christopher C. Stacy wrote:

The instruction "Cleared for the ILS runway 23 at Foobar maintain
2000 until established"
contains "cleared", a route (which is even a charted IFR procedure), an altitude,
and a clearance limit (landing Foobar airport, or executing the published missed
approach procedure). How is that not an IFR clearance?


It's not.


I think it is, unless the controller adds the words "maintain VFR".
When I want a practice approach and the controller fails to say "VFR",
I add it back in to try and make sure, like: "Cherokee 97R cleared
for the ILS 29 maintain VFR".


Not necessary. If you are doing a whole series of practice approaches
the controller needs to tell you one time to maintain VFR. Not one
time per approach, just one time.


How do you both know when the approach is no longer "practice"?
Is "practice approach" in the ATC manual? (I haven't looked.)

When asked for an analysis of the scenario and the phraseology,
Boston didn't seem to recognize "practice approach".
In the discussion when I said "practice approach", he read it
back to me as "multiple approaches in VFR conditions".