Gary Drescher wrote:

I disagree. The PP instrument training really should suffice to keep you
upright in clouds for long enough to reach VMC if there's any within range.

It is generally understood that the training is sufficient to
allow you to recognize your have entered IMC and then immediately
make a 180 and get back out.... all in the space of a reasonably
short time.... and there is not too much turbulence... and you are
not to nervous... and hopefully you have maintained those skills
since you checkride. etc. etc. It also assumes the pilot has and
uses every cell of good judgement he has.

I doubt the conditions of the obave referenced accident met this
criteria.