On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 12:06:27 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 11:24:52 -0400, "Gary Drescher"
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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If CFI's were authorized to instruct students in IMC, there would be
no need for CFIIs. Or am I overlooking something here?

Yes. The training doesn't count toward an instrument rating unless it's
given by a CFII. But (as far as I know) CFIs can provide IMC training for
purposes of PP emergency-IMC preparedness.

In that case, the CFI would be the sole PIC, and the CFI would have to
hold an instrument rating, but would be only demonstrating IMC
operations, not actually instructing in them?

There is always a sole PIC.

That's true.

A CFI is always the PIC with a pre-PP student.

But in this case, would the "student" be able to log PIC time as is
normally authorized?

CFIs always need an instrument rating.

That's not the way I read the regulations:


http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text.... 1.1.2.8.1.2
§ 61.183 Eligibility requirements.
To be eligible for a flight instructor certificate or rating a
person must:

(c) Hold either a commercial pilot certificate or airline
transport pilot certificate with:

(1) An aircraft category and class rating that is appropriate to
the flight instructor rating sought; and

(2) An instrument rating, _or_ privileges on that person's pilot
certificate that are appropriate to the flight instructor rating
sought, if applying for—

i) A flight instructor certificate with an airplane category and
single-engine class rating;

(ii) A flight instructor certificate with an airplane category and
multiengine class rating;

(iii) A flight instructor certificate with a powered-lift rating;
or

(iv) A flight instructor certificate with an instrument rating.


Doesn't that '_or_' in '(2)' above mean there is an alternate way to
comply with instructor requirements sans an instrument rating?

As far as I know, there is no reason that a CFI can't let a student
manipulate the controls in IMC; the time is logged as dual, but not
for purposes of an instrument rating.