No part confused me. I just have a hard time believing that a fuselage
can accomplish 50 percent of the lifting force of the total body. Yes
I know that some lift comes off of the fuselage on planes, especially
the tailwind as you suggest and the hyperbipe type of designs, but I
didn't think the Sonex fuselage shape was that much different than most
other 2 seat SBS types, including the RV-6. I'll take this into
consideration, though I'm still not convinced that the fuselage lift is
what puts the Sonex into the LSA category.

Neal

ET wrote:
wrote in
ups.com:

Actually, the CAFE numbers come out a little better than what Van
states as the performance figures for the RV-6. And the stall speeds
that Van posts are pretty much what J. Roncz predicts in his
spreadsheets, even though Van's are a bit better. But then again
Van's planes may be operating at a slightly higher CL than what Roncz
uses. Which leads me to believe that the spreadsheets are quite
accurate.

This is why I'm having a hard time believing that the Sonex aircraft
meet the LSA rules as written. Even at the lightest version of their
aircraft ( Jabiru 2200 power and flown solo and no fuel ) the plane
would have a hard time meeting the stall requirements of LSA which
require max gross wt. figures with a 51 mph stall speed.

And my intention is to fully understand the LSA rules, not "down" the
Sonex aircraft or the people behind it. I believe the Sonex and its
people to be top notch, as do many others, evidenced by how many are
flying and continue to be built. They are reasonally priced,
economical to operate and good "all around" performers for their
power. And from what I have seen, several of the other "popular"
LSA's would have a hard time meeting the LSA specs. as I see them
written.

Neal



Which part of my post that indicated the fuselage of the Sonex is a
lifting body confused you??? Steve Wittman is said to have won a bet or
two with the same issue on the Tailwind. I have not done it, but plug
the same numbers in for the Tailwind and see what pops out.

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