"William Snow" wrote in message
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As evidenced by this thread, there is controversy as to what is loggable
and what is not.

Not with regard to the original question. A couple of people made hasty
remarks that they did not try to defend when the relevant regulations were
cited in reply.

To clarify the question is post solo, sole manipulator, & sole occupant
adequate to allow logging as pic?

Being sole-manipulator is not adequate for a student pilot to log PIC time,
whether before or after solo. Being sole-occupant is adequate for a student
pilot to log PIC time (with a solo endorsement, of course).

There are many flight schools (Flight Safety for one) that do not allow
any pic time to be logged until the day of the checkride.

I don't understand. It's your logbook. How could a flight school prevent you
from logging time in it in accordance with the FARs?

So, that begs another question, what is the thinking that justifies no
logging of pic time when dual is being logged, post solo, pre checkride??

That's entirely different. When the flight is dual rather than solo, a
student pilot cannot log PIC time (although a private pilot can). The
thinking is that 61.51e4i says that a student pilot can only log PIC time
when the student is alone in the plane.

Perhaps I see where your uncertainty might be coming from. Note that the
three clauses (i, ii, and iii) of 61.51e4 are joined by an "and"; that is,
all three clauses have to be satisfied in order for a student pilot to log
PIC time. Your question about post-solo sole-manipulator time suggests that
you may be reading those clauses as though the "and" applied only to the
second two clauses, with an "or" joining those to the first clause. But
that's not the case.

--Gary