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Old October 3rd 06, 08:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Neil Gould
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Default NW_Pilot's Trans-Atlantic Flight -- All the scary details...

Recently, NW_Pilot posted:

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Neil Gould wrote:
Recently, Jay Honeck posted:

However, in this case, the fuel sensor failure caused a total
system failure,
Actually, we do not know this. We can assume it, and the evidence
is pretty strong, but there might have been other factors which we
don't know.
True. In addition to the fuel sensor "overload" (it didn't really
fail -- it just sent info to the G1000 that made no sense), he also
experienced a CO sensor failure, and (later) a tach failure.

It's hard to say what caused what to happen, without more data.

I agree that we are in no position to determine the cause of the
problems;
they could be specific to this particular unit, or caused by damage
during
the installation of the ferry tank and other panel mounted items
rather than the general design of the G1000. However, it still
troubles me that Garmin told NW_Pilot that the system can
experience similar problems during stalls and in slow flight. That
*does* sound like the G1000 has some design issues that need
sorting out.

Neil



I just went back and reread his account. ( I'm not flaming Steven
but if you've read his emails before you know that his written words
can often be difficult to read for content ) He said that the fuel
readings went to red Xs ( as a properly designed system with a out
of spec sensor should ) after flying ( and venting excess fuel for 7
hours ) Then he got a CO2 warning then a GPS-1 failure. It was
after the GPS1 failure that the unit rebooted. Now failure of the
fuel system I would not want a reboot for but in some situations
failure of the primary navigation system may be grounds for a reboot
depending on what failed. After the reboot completed he was missing
readings like fuel and airspeeds. He mentions other errors but does
not say what they were. He does not specifically say that the
system rebooted again directly. He said in summery it was
continually rebooting but I question that. Steven - Was it
rebooting or did it just reboot once after the initial failure? He
mentions that on downwind the fuel readings were working again but
then failed again during turn to final. Did the sensors starting
given valid information after the fuel burned off enough to have
then in range and then fail again during the turn? Not sure. He
does mention the G1000 rebooting again during his landing. Was this
the second reboot? Did other instruments fail again? Too many
questions and not enough information to say for sure.



Will solve this question, It had to many reboots to count! The unit
would reboot then start showing items failing then reboot again start
showing items failing then reboot again and again for a few hundred
miles! After each reboot it took about 10 to 15 min to reboot again.
The fuel sensors starting given valid information upon the reboot
after landing and I still had Co2 and GPS Failure On Landing and
airspeed was still a Red X! I only took note of the critical errors I
tried my best to document them all but I am not superman I still
needed to fly the plane.

First of all, I think you did a superb job of handling all aspects of this
fiasco. It has to be awfully distracting to have your controls constantly
rebooting while you're trying determine whether you can get to safety.

Your description of the installation quality of the aux tank and other
items in the panel that could have been done better with a hacksaw and a
drill makes me suspect that the G1000 was damaged during this process. The
only thing that makes me think that the G1000 design may have problems is
their telling you that the unit experiences problems in normal flight
configurations. I'm curious about *which* problems, but that's only a
curiosity; I'd have a hard time trusting the unit if there aren't backup
gauges.

Neil