"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote in message
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"cjcampbell" wrote in message
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karl gruber wrote:
Some can, easily.

Karl


Hasn't Bob Hooover demonstrated that in the Shrike?


That's cheating Hoover could probably figure out a way to take off with no
engines.

A glider/sailplane?


During the 60's a lot of people "flew" without airplanes. Far out, man!