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Old October 12th 06, 12:20 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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Default Lidle crash: who is wrong?

I'm just trying to understand what happened. Looked at the
Google sat photo, the soccer field looked like the best and
closest landing area. Not really sure if the locations is
totally correct. All I know for sure is that the news media
hires idiots who can fill hours with nothing.

I do know from experience that winds around the buildings
can cause lots of turbulence which could cause control
problems.

Just where the airplane was when the problem began is
unknown, all we know for sure is where it ended up.

All my flying in the NYC area has been in King Air and
Beechjet aircraft, have not run the VFR corridors. Don't
have a current chart and not sure what they did and what the
rules are. Anybody know of a free download for a terminal
NYC chart that shows the area in question?



"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
. ..
| "Jim Macklin" wrote
in message
| news:YLhXg.2547$XX2.2048@dukeread04...
| Google for "524 e 72nd st.,new york city" and look at
the
| sat photo. There is a soccer field just northeast
across
| the river. IF they were having some engine problem,
that
| could have looked like the best place to land. Passing
the
| tops of the buildings and with probable winds aloft
being
| twice as strong as surface winds [maybe 25 kts. ] and
the
| venturi effect, the plane could have easily been turned
| directly into the building. Just a guess.
|
| I don't understand your scenario. They'd have been flying
north along the
| east shore of the narrow river, then making a U-turn to
fly south along the
| west shore. Aside from the river itself, plausible nearby
landing sites are
| along the east shore and on the island in the middle of
the river; I don't
| see how heading for those sites would have led them to
crash on the west
| side of the river. (Plus, there was no distress call or
other indication of
| engine problems.)
|
| If they flew too fast, making the turn too wide (which is
my guess), they'd
| have hit the north side of a building on the west
shore--which they did.
|
| --Gary
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|
| "Blasto" wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| | Confusing reports on the Lidle crash-- Mayor
Bloomberg,
| sounding
| | utterly confident in his sources, says the plane took
off
| from
| | Teterboro, circled the Statue of Liberty, flew up
| (south-to-north) the
| | East River, then into the building. A few minutes
earlier,
| a CNN
| | reporter using PASSUR asserted that after taking off
the
| plane tracked
| | straight west-to-east over Central Park, turned right
and
| followed the
| | East River (north-to-south) and suddenly banked right
into
| the
| | building. Given that the impact was on the building's
| north face, the
| | latter account seems more likely.
| |
| | Anyone have newer info?
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