Recently, Mxsmanic posted:

Neil Gould writes:

The performace of the MSFS game is completely irrelevant to those of
us whose main interest is flying real planes.

You spend a lot of time discussing it for someone who apparently
considers himself part of this group.

You may have noticed that my "discussing it" is limited to addressing your
misinformation.

Nobody in their right mind practices things that are likely to
damage the airplane and possibly kill them.

In that case, nobody really knows if they are possible or not, no
matter how much experience they might have in other aspects of flight.

Completely irrelevant. It may have been possible for someone to make the
East River turn in a Cirrus that killed Lidle and his instructor. However,
a safe pilot would not try to find that out in that environment.

As Sylvain pointed out, if you can't
perform your stunt on a field large enough to accommodate B-52s, then
there is no reason to think that it can be done at all.

I fail to see the logical connection there. Obviously, if you have a
large enough field, you can do all sorts of things.

The logical connection is that there aren't many airports larger than
those that can accommodate B-52s, and they tend to be military-only air
fields. So, if there's nowhere to try such stunts, it's pretty much a
given that they can't be done.

However, let's not lose sight of the fact that you can't do *any* of those
things in a real plane, which as far as I can tell is the only reason you
think that it is "logical" to consider it a real possibility.

The fact that one can perform this stunt at a typical virtual airport
with MSFS is sufficient proof that it gets some pretty important
things wrong.

I have not yet succeeded in performing it in the simulator; have you?

I trust Sylvain's statement that he can do it. No need for me to replicate
it.

Since you don't know if it's possible in real life, you cannot know
whether the simulation is accurate or not.

What I wrote before still holds true: those things that I *do* know about
real life flying that differ from MSFS are sufficient to convince me that
it is only a game. I would not use any techniques in real aircraft based
on what that game does.

Neil