On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 05:04:35 -0800, wrote:

That would include most controllers these days who don't understand squat about
instrument approach procedures, and how to provide clearances for RNAV
approaches.


I don't know if I'd say "most", but it certainly is "many".

Just a week or two ago I had to debate the controller about a
procedure as I was flying it. The controller later came back on and
apologized, but it hppens more often than it should.

Another situation involved a former student who was severely
reprimanded by the controller for flying the procedure as it was
charted. A letter to his facitlity also resulted in a (written)
apology, and it was clear from the letter that they had discovered
that the controller in question was not the only one who did not
understasnd what he was doing.