Sam Spade wrote:
Newps wrote:



Sam Spade wrote:



No, the word "practice" muddys the waters.

I am thinking in terms of a non-training flight that shows up in the
LA Basin on top of a bunch of unforecasted stratus. I am at 8,500
feet east of Ontario. I call SoCal and request an ILS into Ontario
and tell the controller I am VFR at 8,500. He identifies me, gives me
a squawk, then says, 34 Charlie, maintain heading 260, descent to and
maintain 6,000 for an ILS to 26R."



You're still VFR.


What would have to be different to make me IFR? Could you cite a
reference?


You call up and say you are VFR at 8500 and request an ILS into Ontario.
Nothing so far suggests you even want to be IFR. Had you said you
were VFR on top of an overcast and would like a local IFR clearance to
get down then it would have been clear. The controller would have
responded with a clearance to Ontario as per the .65 4-2-1.

http://www.faa.gov/ATPubs/ATC/Chp4/atc0402.html