Newps wrote:



Scott Skylane wrote:



Never say never I have asked for, and received a turn in the hold
to lose altitude, after arriving at the final fix about 10,000 feet
high. This was due to descent restrictions from center because of
other approaches in progress. The flight spoilers on a 727 are *very*
effective, but they can't perform miracles!


You also must also factor in pilot incompetence. I can't begin to tell
you how many times these jet pilots, almost always from the majors like
NWA and UAL as well as from the regionals like Skywest, report on the
freq 35 miles out at FL230 or higher. This is not centers fault as the
descent clearance was given about 200 miles out. Center usually gives a
PD descent and these guys continually foul it up. So to illuminate your
mistake I will drive you right at the airport and make you beg for mercy.


But, for every "incompetent" pilot from NWA and UAL how many do it so
smoothly you actually think they might know what they are doing?