"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Maxwell wrote:
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net wrote in message
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Morgans wrote:
As impressive as it is, what good do those types of moves do a
warbird? Nothing, I think.

Face it, this is a "shoot and kill before you see me" kind of
environment, now. Fighters don't play Snoopy and the Red Baron
anymore.


That is almost exactly what was said when when the F4 was designed
without guns. It didn't work out that way.


Yeah, but in all fairness, wasn't that about 45 years ago?

Sure it was. But sh!t happens, especially in combat. And while shooting
the other guy down 100 miles away before he even knows you are there works
real well for defending a CVN during all out shooting war. It doesn't take
a lot of imagination to come up with a scenario where pilots aren't
allowed to use those long range weapons and are forced into a good old
fashioned dog fight.

Well, call me a hold out, but I would still have to lean a little more
towards Jim's way of thinking. With the situational awarness capibilities of
something like a Raptor, and his ability to supercruise, it sure seems more
and more likely they would be hard to sneak up on.