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Old July 3rd 03, 03:16 PM
Kevin Brooks
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Peter Kemp wrote in message . ..
On 3 Jul 2003 02:20:30 -0700, (Quant) wrote:

Peter Kemp wrote in message . ..
On 2 Jul 2003 17:45:33 -0700,
(Quant) wrote:
2. Despite the fact that the American industries are heavily
subsidized they can't compete against the Israeli industries in price
and in many cases in quality.

And yet the Israel products repeatedly lose out to US products that
are "inferior" and "more expensive". Again, is Israel really that
stupid or are you missing something.


You're wrong. America lost big contract to Israel in India.


Errr...say what? We only recently started selling the more benign
military products to India again after a few years of embargoing
military exports to them (unlike israel, we sometimes try to apply
*some* degree of moralistic control to our sales programs).

America is
losing big contracts in Europe (UAV's, Spike Anti Tank missilis
instead of the American Javelin for example), South America (Pyhton on
behalf of AIM-9 for example),


"Big contracts"? Yeah, sure...

Turkey (Sabra tanks instead of Abrams
tanks),


LOL! Let's wait and see if *any* tanks are procured--and BTW, aren't
those just M60A1 mods? Which is a US tank, right?

South Korea,

Yeah, there was a lot of competition from israel for the F-15K
contract, not to mention the recent Mk 41 VLS selection by the
ROKN...not.

Taiwan,

Taiwan being that country that is pursuing additional US weapons
deliveries as fast as they can get approval, right?

Eastern Europe. Israel is also leading in
the market of upgrading soviet era systems using advanced technology
etc.


Wow, now *that* is gonna define a true market leader, right? Can't
build much yourselves, but golly you are good at piling onto everybody
elses efforts...

Brooks


Sorry, wasn't clear, I was referring to contracts within Israel.
Things like the M-16 having displaced the damn good Galil simply
because the M-16 could be paid for out of the aid (or so it appeared
to this humble Brit).

But since we seem to agree that the aid doesn't help Israel, we can
leave it there.