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On 1 Jul 2003 15:34:02 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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On 30 Jun 2003 18:31:07 -0700, (Kevin Brooks)
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Hebrew:
http://www.globes.co.il/serve/globes...asp?did=701548


Israel Aircraft Industries was excluded from the Airbus 380 project
because of a political decision of the goverment of Israel to buy only
Boeing planes by El Al.

What brand of cheese do you prefer to go with that whine? Hey, turn
down the billions in US dollars your nation receives each year from
the US taxpayers, then you can come back and whine about losing out on
this contract as much as you want

So you acknowledge that "aid" to Israel is nothing but a quid pro quo.

LOL! Not hardly. You need to retake that course in logic--the salient
points apparently did not stick with you. I am merely pointing out
that whining about your economic/military dependency upon the US and
any negative impacts can easily be rendered moot by declaring you
won't accept further US aid (like *that* will ever happen).


American defense contractors would not be too happy if that were to
happen.

Absolutely! 75% of that aid MUST be spent on American hardware.

Nope. Not if you are looking at the TOTAL aid package, of which the
direct military credits makes up only a relatively small portion.

Again and again, you're spreading false arguments.
USD 600 mn are the direct aid.
USD 2100 mn are the military aid.

Depends on how you look at it:

"For the fiscal year ending in September 30, 1997, the U.S. has given
Israel $6.72 billion: $6.194 billion falls under Israel's foreign aid
allotment and $526 million comes from agencies such as the Department
of Commerce, the U.S. Information Agency and the Pentagon. The $6.72
billion figure does not include loan guarantees and annual compound
interest totalling $3.122 billion the U.S. pays on money borrowed to
give to Israel. It does not include the cost to U.S. taxpayers of IRS
tax exemptions that donors can claim when they donate money to Israeli
charities. (Donors claim approximately $1 billion in Federal tax
deductions annually. This ultimately costs other U.S. tax payers $280
million to $390 million.) When grant, loans, interest and tax
deductions are added together for the fiscal year ending in September
30, 1997, our special relationship with Israel cost U.S. taxpayers
over $10 billion."

Source: http://www.wrmea.com/html/us_aid_to_israel.htm

This was tagged onto a report from a USian who had just noted the
destructive acts of Israelis from the Beit Hadassah settlement aimed
at a USAID improvement project in Hebron (vandalism, even stone
throwing at construcion workers--and wouldn't you know it, *none* of
those Israeli stonethrowers were shot by the IDF...go figure).


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78% - must be spent on American products


And
if we were not selling to Israel, how much *more* could we sell to
Arab nations (most of whom actually *pay* for their purchases
themselves)?

Brooks


If you were not selling to Israel you couldn't sell so much as you
already did to the Arabs because it would cause Israel to lose its
superiority and the consequence will be a full war in the Mideast.

Yeah, right. But weren't you just spouting off about how *Israeli* are
so superior to USian products?

Brooks