ATP not operating under FAR 135 or 121 actually can log PIC
the same as any commercial pilot, the must be flying. But
under 121, an ATP assigned as Captain [PIC] can log PIC
while sleeping in the crew bunk room.

Also, ATPs without a CFI can only instruct under 135 or 121
in operations called for in those parts.



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
...
| Dave Butler wrote:
| Ron Natalie wrote:
| Dave Butler wrote:
|
| You can log PIC, instructor or not, any time you are
either acting as
| PIC, or the sole manipulator of the controls.
|
| Incorrect.
|
| Hmm, Ron, you are usually precise in your statements,
but, assuming you
| meant 61.51 below, I don't see anything that contradicts
my statement.
|
| Where in 61.51 does it say anybody (instructor or not) can
log PIC
| because they are acting as PIC? There are two specific
instances
| (ATP and multipilot operation). Otherwise you have to
meet one of
| the other requirements.