You can agree who will be PIC all you want. That decision
will be important in court during a trial for insurance
coverage, etc. But for logging the time, unless you are the
sole manipulator, a CFI or an ATP in airline operations, you
can't log PIC unless you are flying. If all you are is a
safety pilot, you can't be PIC for the purpose of logging
the time. You can be pic for the purpose of deciding
whether Joe or Fred is legally required to pay from their
estate for the damages.

FAR 1.1
Pilot in command means the person who:

(1) Has final authority and responsibility for the operation
and safety of the flight;

(2) Has been designated as pilot in command before or during
the flight; and

(3) Holds the appropriate category, class, and type rating,
if appropriate, for the conduct of the flight.





"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
| On 01/22/07 11:24, Jim Macklin wrote:
| You can agree all you want, but to log PIC you must be
the
| sole manipulator of the controls unless you also hold a
| valid CFI.
|
| Not according to the regs you just copied. See below:
|
| For this purpose we're talking about the non-flying pilot
| performing safety pilot duties for the flying pilot. If
both
| pilots agree that the non-flying pilot will be the PIC...
|
|
|
| 61.51
| (c) Logging of pilot time. The pilot time described in
this
| section may be used to:
|
| (1) Apply for a certificate or rating issued under this
part
| or a privilege authorized under this part; or
|
| (2) Satisfy the recent flight experience requirements of
| this part.
|
| (d) Logging of solo flight time. Except for a student
pilot
| performing the duties of pilot in command of an airship
| requiring more than one pilot flight crewmember, a pilot
may
| log as solo flight time only that flight time when the
pilot
| is the sole occupant of the aircraft.
|
| (e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport,
| recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log
| pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during
which
| that person-
|
| (i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an
aircraft
| for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;
|
| The non-flying pilot is not sole manipulator of the
controls, so
| he can't log PIC as a result of this section.
|
|
| (ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or
|
| The non-flying pilot is not the sole occupant either...
|
|
| (iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as
pilot in
| command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is
| required under the type certification of the aircraft or
the
| regulations under which the flight is conducted.
|
| He is acting as PIC of an aircraft on which more than one
pilot
| is required by the regulations under which the flight is
conducted
| (the pilot flying is using a view limiting device, which
now
| requires the second pilot).
|
| Note that I'm not suggesting the pilot not flying can log
PIC for
| the entire flight; only that portion which meets the above
regs.
|
| --
| Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
| Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
| Sacramento, CA