On 01/22/07 14:34, Jim Macklin wrote:
The PILOT IN COMMAND, responsible for the flight may not be
able to LOG the PIC TIME I.A.W. FAR 61.51 unless he meets
the total rule.

Are you suggesting that for a pilot to log PIC time, according
to 61.51 (e) (1), that the pilot must meet (i) (ii) and (iii)
- All Three?

I must assume then that you do not know what the word "or" means,
so I'm going to bow out of this discussion.

Best Regards,


Manipulation of the controls is an essential part of the
logging of PIC time EXCEPT for the two exceptions given to
CFIs and to the extent of certain commercial operations
requiring an ATP, in those cases an ATP who has been
designated as PIC remains pilot in command up to the moment
of the completion of the flight, and the departure of the
passengers safely at the destination.

61.51
e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport,
recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log
pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which
that person-
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft
for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
| On 01/22/07 12:49, Jim Macklin wrote:
| FAR 1.1 does not and is not controlling for the PURPOSE
of
| logging flight time. Logging time is required only to
show
| compliance with some regulation for some certificate or
| privilege. To that end, 61.51 is controlling. 61.51
| requires manipulation of the controls to LOG PIC.
|
| Perhaps you should either cite the legal counsel's
letter or
| re-read it.
|
| Actually, I've read 61.51. Can you please state where it
says
| that the PIC must be manipulating the controls?
|
| I've already shown you where it says he doesn't. It's your
turn ;-)





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Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA