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http://www.sci.fi/~fta/python4.html

Wrong again. First you claim that Python is an AMRAAM (it isn't), then
you say it has been placed into service by the USAF (it hasn't), and
now you claim that the RAAF has opted for it (and it hasn't). Why are
you so hung up on Python, and why can't you get *any* of the facts on
it right? BTW, one country that *has* purchased Python from Israel
is...the PRC.

Brooks


Wrong as usual.

Nope, the PLAAF has had the Python 3 in service for years, and...

"China and Israel continue to cooperate on the J-10 fighter program,
and Israel is reported to be competing with Russia to provide China
with a new, helmet-sighted, air-to-air missile. Israel may also be
offering China its PYTHON-4 missile, which uses the same Elba helmet
display as the American AIM-9X missile slated to enter U.S.
inventories in the next decade." (Source:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/...hinasess4.html )


In other words, your more-than-a-hint that China has python 4 is
wrong.

You DO need to repeat that reading comprehension course; I said that
Israel had sold the Python to the PLAAF, not any specific version.
That is undeniably true, as the PRC even has their own version of
Python 3 in production. As to whether that includes the Python 4 or
not at this point, the jury seems to still be out (and Israel does not
seem to be very forthcoming with exactly *what* they have provided to
the PRC, or what they are trying to currently market to them). Wonder
why?



And at least one site indicates the J-10 already has the Pythin 4
capability,
see: home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/j10.htm


This is not what the article says (and this is probably why you didn't
brought quotes from it).

Read the specs, friend. Python 4 is indeed listed as an available
weapon for the J-10 in the aforementioned. Still having problems with
that reading, huh?



And then there is:

"Israel also is reported to be trying to sell China its new Python 4
air-to-air missile, the best air-to-air missile now in use.13 This
missile uses an Elbit helmet sighting system." Source:
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Asi...fic/BG1146.cfm


No evidence, just an opinion article with from the Heritage with a
header:
"How America's Friends Are Building China's Military Power"

Which is one heck of a lot more than you have offered other than your
own less-than-lofty pronouncements. can you find any sites that say
that Israel has not either offered or already sold Python 4 to the
PRC?



The last one tracks with the numerous previous reports that Israel is
indeed trying to sell not onlt the HMSS but also and advanced radar to
the PLAAF for the J-10.

Meanwhile Janes was reporting the following: "Israel blocks
manufacture of Python 4 in USA" (12/06/00, Janes Defence Weekly). So,
while quite willing to allow the PRC to manufacture Pythin,

Not True

LOL! Ever heard of the PL-8? It is a licensed copy of the Python 3.
See:
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/weapon/pl8.asp


Israel is
not so willing to allow its "close ally" the US that ability. Stranger
and stranger...


China don't have the python 4 he talked about.

Well, it seems we KNOW they have the Python 3, and as I have shown
you, there is significant buzz about them either already having, or
having been offered at least, the Python 4. Please show us something
other than your fervid rants that claims otherwise.


Maybe, maybe not. Others have not ruled that out as forcibly as you
seem to.

And as usual you also know you're wrong (its called lying).

From a gabnder at the above, it would appear that you have once again
jumped the gun...


Chile and India use it.

Gee, are you "lying" here? What about Singapore....?


After a quick google search

Chile:
"Chile will be the first F-16 customer for which Lockheed Martin has
integrated the Rafael Python 4 off-boresight missile" (AviationNow)
http://www.awgnet.com/shownews/02fidae/airfrm07.htm

India:
Python 4, Derby For Indian Jaguars & Mirages
http://www.defense-update.com/news/india-missiles.htm


Singapo
Don't know about Singapore but I've found:
"Singapore aircraft are allegedly also fitted with Python 4
air-air-missiles by Rafael".
http://www.flug-revue.rotor.com/FRhe...05/FR0005d.htm


But China don't have it.

So, you were "lying" before, when you said that only Chile and India
had it, huh? Therein lies the problem of trying to (even in the face
of third party references otherwise) call somebody a "liar"; it can
boomerang back and bite you squarely in the pesterior. You might
therefore find sitting a bit uncomfortable for a while...

Brooks



Brooks