Jim,
When were you at Spartan? I used to teach at Ross down on Riverside and
Spartan was the only other real school there at the time.
I busted my II oral at TUL FSDO because I didn't know what a High
Altitude Teardrop Penetration approach was. There was a pub'd one for TUL at
the time - the old F100s used it.
The inspectors reasoning was that I could hop in the right seat of a
Citation and give instrument training and that aircraft was capable of
executing the approach. I reasoned he was just ****ed off and having a bad
day.
One of my previous CFI students had swallowed a valve on takeoff with
him about two weeks earlier.
--
Jim Carter
Rogers, Arkansas
"Jim Macklin" wrote in message
...
I would agree on that, organization. When I was training at
Spartan [Tulsa] for my CFI ratings, the "word" was that the
FSDO was very tough on CFII applicants.
I showed up with my own, name embossed Jep bag with a full
set of IFR charts and the J-AID. After a few questions,
maybe an hour or so, we went flying.
But students who showed up with the school supplied charts
were being grilled half a day or even longer, because the
inspectors wanted to know that the student really knew the
material.
It did not hurt that I usually began an answer to a question
with, "That's FAR 91.85, paragraph 2, ..."
"Roger" wrote in message
...
| On 2 Feb 2007 09:36:48 -0800, "Robert M. Gary"
| wrote:
|
| On Feb 1, 10:37 pm, "Jim Macklin"
| wrote:
| Know how to interpret the material from on-line
sources.
| The key is, can you draw a crude picture of the weather
| [verbally or with a pencil] and then apply that to the
FAR
| as to whether the weather, currently and forecast, will
| allow the operation.
|
| Partly, but every DE I've ever worked with required the
applicant to
| show up with the classic charts and exhibit knowledge of
the symbols
| (i.e. carry a secret decoder ring). Once rated, few
pilots every use
| these old style charts.
|
| They didn't even have me look at weather charts or even
the old style
| codes and this was a few years back. Of course the
weather was so bad
| it bout beat the snot out of me flying up there to take
the test. I
| told him I almost canceled, but decided to head up and see
"how it
| went". He asked me about the forecast and if it was
deteriorating,
| getting better or as forecast. I also had everything he
asked for, in
| a note book and _in_order_. After he asked for the second
document and
| I just flipped a page, he said, "let me see that". Looked
through it,
| asked me a few questions on weather, flight planning,
aircraft
| performance, and a few other things I've now forgotten and
he sent me
| out to preflight the Deb.
|
| It's been a while, but "as I recall" the whole oral part
of the exam
| was on the order of a half hour, give or take a bit.
Thing is, being
| *thoroughly* organized at least made it look like I knew
what I was
| doing. :-)) He told me later that he usually expects to
take at least
| twice as long on that part and it was rare to have any one
come in
| with the *stuff* in a binder, let alone organized.
|
| Most of it was done as casual conversation, but I knew
what he was
| after with each question. If I didn't know the answer I
was able to
| tell him right where it was and could find it in the FARs
or AIM.
| When it came to the requirements to be able to drop below
DH on an ILS
| I proudly rattled them right off only to be greeted by a
blank stare
| as if he were waiting for something. Then he said,
there's one more.
| I went through them three times but always came up short.
Finally I
| looked at him, held out my hand and asked if "I could use
the book".
| :-))
|
| The conversation seems casual, but make a mistake and you
can expect
| more questions on the same subject. Miss another one or
two on the
| same subject and you may spend quite a while covering that
particular
| segment and you WILL know (and remember) the answer
afterwards, or the
| test will be over.
|
|
| -Robert, CFII
| Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
| (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
| www.rogerhalstead.com